“Latino Issues With Racism Ain’t Our Problem Jamari”

976be2795e2704a214a29bf4c26f332fi feel like when people are experiencing racism,
regardless of race,
it’s everyone’s issue.
it affects us all.
well in my eyes it does.
as black people,
we can relate to intense racism from some white people.
we can even experience it from the other races as well.
well i missed the memo when it has nothing to do with “us”,
then its not our issue.
one of my home-vixens let me know that couple minutes ago.
of course i ran to the foxhole.
so this video is making its rounds on facebook.
its an older white she-jackal telling a older latina to speak english.
well check it out…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pa2llSL892A

i would have socked her.
anyway so i sent the video to a couple people in texts.
i always like to hear people’s opinions about things like this.
a few of my people were disgusted,
but like i said my “race issues” home vixen responded:

“that ain’t got nothing to do with us”

tumblr_inline_mq5en2hOtn1qz4rgpexcuse me?
i was legit shocked at her answer.
so then i said:

“well its racism so doesn’t it?”

so she said:

“jamari when does that community cape for our black asses?
did they protest during ferguson?
michael brown?
trayvon?
they stay silent until its there issues
let them fight their own battles”

“that seems like fucked up logic tho”

“they handled the donald trump issue just fine.
they’ll be ok.
tell them stop being racist towards blacks and i might give a fuck.”

she added the:

c547678a48b444e017734009da86882d…right after.
 i had to wonder if i’m being naive?
i didn’t bother to respond.
before i got to my computer,
i had to wonder about other races and racism.
i know of a few latinos/tinas who stood with us during #blacklivesmatters.
hell i saw some whites also protesting in times square for eric garner.
i mean i’m not saying bust out the boots and grab a flag,
but where have people’s compassion gone?
maybe i have a heart?
maybe thats my biggest problem?
so if the issue doesn’t concern black people…

Should “we” mind our business?

Author: jamari fox

the fox invited to the blogging table.

62 thoughts on ““Latino Issues With Racism Ain’t Our Problem Jamari”

  1. My response to people like her is to say The Black Lives Matter movement was started by three woman.Alicia Garza( a Black Latino woman),Opal Tometi and Patrisse Cullors.Patrisse and Alicia are Lesbians,they prefer the term Queer.So that Latin woman being disrespected could be Alicia’s Latino grandmother.The lesbian being harassed on the street could be Patrisse’s girlfriend.I am not gay but I will support gay rights.The white people ,who joined Blacks, to create NAACP knew they weren’t free if Black people were being oppressed.

    Nobody is free until everybody’s free- Fannie Lou Hammer

  2. your friend was correct, thats not our issue. The lady was stupid but they dont come running to defend us when shit happen. We got enough issues right now. Also i miss your fashion/tech post

  3. No, you don’t “mind your business” . Just because the entire hispanic/latino race didn’t rush to the aid of African Americans you still have to remember some of them probably did. Also, if we keep this mentality then racism will just get worse. Everyone needs to stand together no matter what race. Maybe if we aided hem they would come aid us. People need to stop being against races as a whole and be against the ignorant people as individuals who may happen to be apart of a certain race.

  4. I’m inclined to agree with your homegirl.

    Some of the Hispanics with African ancestry might support us, but largely they just steal our culture just like white people. A lot of black people are oblivious to how Hispanics and Spanish people talk about us behind closed doors as well as in their language.

    Just because they live in some of the same neighborhoods as we do does not mean they are with us.

    I wouldn’t care if they closed the borders. SOME of these Mexicans moving major drugs into the country and then going back to their country to avoid prison, while blacks getting locked up for amounts of drugs that are minuscule in comparison.

    I believe in staying in your lane.

  5. I’m not stating all of them are bad, but like with white people and even some blacks I take them on a case by case basis and judge on individual character.

    But no, I’m not protesting with them or marching for them just like I’m not marching for gay rights. I’ll walk smooth past the protest.

    1. You should judge EVERYBODY on a case by case basis though JAY. If you did that with everyone, race almost becomes non-existent and you’re purely judging people based off of character and personality, people literally just become people. Generalizing in any way would seem a bit pointless in most cases.

      1. Put simply. Nope!

        I respect people’s difference of opinion but let’s not forget the principles this country were built on. I choose to live in the real world were people are always going to look after someone they identify with and that looks like them first.

        When you all find this utopia you ideally speak of sign me up, but until then it is what it is.

      2. In my experience, the people who look like me don’t often identify with me, it’s others who have identified with me. If I were to rely on black people to support me as a whole, I would have been thrown to the wolves first because I’m not like most of “us”.So, honestly, I don’t have much faith in our race to get anything accomplished at all as far as spearheading this whole race thing because the general attitude is destructive to its own purpose. To put that simply, Black people won’t ever get shit done because we don’t have the mindset to do it right. We are already lacking in power and money, and influence, so if we EVER have hopes to achieve anything in this race game, we’re going to HAVE to band together with others or we will forever be the bottom of the barrel. Black people spend more time putting our own race down perpetuating the same garbage ideologies from slavery and only the minority of us have the mindset that would actually propel us in the right direction. I’m not seeing how were going to deal with our own issues this way when we cant even work together. There’s more to the “real world” than what your saying, much more.

        The “real world” as you describe is more akin to a giant high school where survival is generally contingent to being a popularity contest, if you don’t follow the crowd, then good luck.

        I don’t live in a utopia because you disagree with me, its fine if you disagree, but I’m not living in la la land here, I wouldn’t say it if I didn’t think it could be possible. It won’t ever happen because as Ive said before, people don’t want it to happen because it’s as you said: “not the real world”, but if everyone decided to think more broadly, perhaps it could be a reality.

  6. Why is it always on us to take the high road. We always have to carry our load and everyone else’s. No one is there for us. They treat us like shit and dont speak out against their own racists members. The problem with us is jumping to the defense of others while our defenses aren’t up to par. We let everyone in but are always left out. We dont live in a world where it has been our benefit to help others. More often than not it has not been good. While i hate what that wrinkled racist bitch said and felt tremendously bad for that latin woman we got our own shit to deal with. Us blacks have to prioritize. Also latinos are not a race and the black ones catch hell. So weather you are Afro American, Afro Latino, Afro European, you are my priority everyone else is secondary. Its harsh and under better circumstances i wouldnt feel that way but thats the reality.

    1. Aint this the truth. We’re always expected to be “nonviolent.” When a white person does us wrong they’re demanding forgiveness (and we’re expected to grant it). They’re out here killing us….and we’re supposed to march and sing “we shall overcome”

    2. My parents and grandparents say it all the time: Blacks today would’ve never survived in the Jim Crowe era.

      In their minds, they’ve already overcome. That’s why they’re out here dancing with a rainbow flag with white men like they’re deemed equal to them and easily distracted, while they’re being destroyed in ways they aren’t even aware of.

      We had to be unified back then. I guess it’s the double edged sword of the freedoms we enjoy today.

      That’s why I love talking to older black people no matter where I’m at. They have a firm grasp of who they are and whose they are.

  7. Its not about right or wrong. Its about MATH. Either they become a part of our coalition or we go back to where we were 40 years ago. Show me a middle class Black family and I will show you a bunch or government jobs…teachers, cops,soldiers, administrators of all types, 70% of Black lawyers work in government too. These jobs didn’t come to us because we deserved them. They came because we leveraged our numbers and our political power to demand them. We don’t have the numbers anymore and unless we build a coalition with the people who do..there are big problems ahead. If you know a Black politician, tell her to learn to speak Spanish, immediately!! Case in point, when those towers came down in 2001, they published the names of the cops and firefighters who died there. 100 years after it made numerical sense, 30% were of obvious Irish ancestry. That was because the Irish incorporated the Italians and then the Jews and the Blacks into their coalitions and sustained their middle class long enough to make it permanent. God help us if we don’t do the same!

  8. I think it is hypocritical for our race to not defend others when they are experiencing racism whether the race being victimized has stood up for us or not, that is just how I feel. That video was quite sad to watch. I’m with you Jamari.

      1. Its not about hate. Black people have stood up for others plenty of times. Do u think affirmative action only helps us. Many people benefit from us and have been doing so. We have defended them in the past and they have yet to do the same. What makes yall think it woll be any different now

    1. Agreed The Man. It’s more about your own views on racism and hate rather than what others are (not) doing for us dictating whether we should help or not. Be the bigger person as an individual first and as a black person next. “Be the change you want to see” is one of my mottoes. I’m not going to worry about who’s talking trash about me behind my back or whether these same people are helping out in my own community because I’m only concerned about what I’m contributing to a cause that I believe in for the betterment of HUMANITY. This same effort would go into helping my own people as well regardless of other people. What so and so does or doesn’t do for me has no bearing on my decisions to help or not help out or speak up in something I believe in.

  9. I see what you’re saying J but i see it like this…

    The hispanic community don’t care about us. Don’t you see how they treat black people in their own countries? It would be nice to show some solidarity, but I’m CERTAIN if white people began to accept them, they would stomp all over our heads to get to a higher rung on the ladder.

    With that said, this does make me cringe. Even though I know how hispanics treat US, I would never turn the other way when I see injustice. Fox News and the Republican party (One in the same) has these old white people completely delusional and incoherent. It’s sad. That old white lady has no idea what she’s talking about.

    If Republicans really want to destroy the Democrats in the next election all they have to do is reinforce to Hispanics how much better they are than black people. It would be a bloodbath.

  10. As a Latino I have to disagree with your friend because I have seen plenty of Latinos defending African Americans because we know we are in the same shoes as African Americans. And seriously tho I am sorry to say this but this #blacklivesmatter need to change to #africanamericanlivesmatter because in Brazil a lot of Afro-Brazilians have been getting murdered by policeman, but funny enough I have yet to see 1 African American mention about the same situation that is happening in Brazil.

    In Europe, Afro-Europeans are constantly getting bullied and having banana peels thrown at them while these assholes are making monkey noise towards them, but yet African Americans don’t seem to care.

    And to be honest even if we do help, a lot of African Americans always got some nasty attitude and their favorite line is “Well, who ask you?”. A simple thank you doesn’t hurt anyone, but for some reason that seem to set them off. So we’re damn if we help or we’re damn if we don’t. And…… and I even notice how when some Latinos would ask for help and here go the African Americans “Oh, I don’t understand why these people are always depending on us to do everything for them, meanwhile….. blah, blah, blah”

    1. That isn’t a fair comparison Lindo. #BlackLivesMatter is an American movement to protest police injustice in America. Why would this American movement get involved with what is going in Brazil? Especially when it’s apparent they have their hands full here? If black Brazilians want to start a chapter in Brazil, I’m sure the founders of the movement would encourage this. But to suggest that #BlackLivesMatter is responsible for ALL black people in the diaspora is unfair.

    2. I’m between a rock and hard place with this one…but the question to be ask …How do African Americans speak up for the brothers and sisters in other countries when basically Afro Americans hands are full?

      I do understand what you are saying but look what’s happening here..injustice at all level,racism,poverty,illiteracy,unemployment, HIV.

      Yes I agree there is a level of selfishness and even prejudice in the African American community. As a person of mix culture I can see how some black Americans act as if they are more black than blacks coming from the Caribbean and Latin America .

      what you see is black people distancing themselves from other blacks because of cultural barriers. I know of blacks who don’t give a fuck about Trayvon, Mike Brown or I can’t breath.Long and short is… in America there are communities within the black community.

      1. “How do African Americans speak up for the brothers and sisters in other countries when basically Afro Americans hands are full?” Im not asking for African Americans to speak up for us period. They don’t know us and because they don’t know us they shouldn’t be judging. I mean just because Latinos might not join a protest doesn’t mean they don’t care. Hey we got our hands full too. Look at my country, Puerto Rico, with the whole financial crisis and now they depending on Ricans over at the states to sent money overseas (which is nothing new). Look at indigenous/mestizo Latin@s being hunted because these fuckers don’t want “illegals” in the U.S.

  11. I listened to the entire video. Racism is the belief that one race is superior or inferior to another race. Therefore, and on that basis, what the white woman said and did as noted in the video was NOT RACIST. AND I CHALLENGE ANYONE TO TELL ME EXACTLY WHY I AM WRONG!

      1. AtlAnonymous: That is the generally accepted definition of racism and I note that you do not propose an alternative logical, reasonable and rational one so your comment is ineffective. Try again.

      2. Dean, what you gave us was a merriam webster definition to a concept that you know is much more complicated than what you wrote. You’re a smart man, I’m certain you know this.

        But let’s play: Racism can take representational, ideological, interactional, discursive, institutional, structural and systemic forms. Racism in 2015 is not as black and white as you’re presenting. It can exist in the form of microaggressions that are much more subtle and ambiguous.

        That woman was racist.

        Now I can bore you with an explanation of each of these, and provide examples. I can explain how the woman in the video is acting out more than one of these forms, separately, and at the same damn time. But that would take too long, and there’s plenty of academic literature on the subject that summarizes it wonderfully.

        I urge you to check them out!

        peace.

    1. You are wrong because there are no such videos of people objecting to the speaking of French or Italian. Its not about language its about race. This anti-immigrant bullshit is another variant of the same white supremacy ideology that is killing Black folk left and right. If we say it is ok for some people, we will very soon find it hard to defend ourselves. Oppress them but not us has never worked for anybody, anywhere!

      1. Plenty of African Americans feel like if you’re going to be a citizen of this country you should at least try to master the English language. Some also feel it’s rude to speak your native tongue in mixed company where some can understand you and some can’t. No ones taking your culture away from you but there’s a time and place for everything.

        I don’t think this is a white supremacist thing at all.

        I’m from the south, so an irate person (black or white) may very well say something if they were speaking French or Italian. I have seen it transpire in public.

      2. Jay: Your comment is not logical, reasonable and rational. First: There were no video of black people being shot by police much until recently. The absence of videos doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist. In addition, French, Italian and Spanish are all European/white countries and people. What oppression are you talking about when you wrote “Oppress them”? And Hispanic/Latino (if that’s what you mean) is not a race. And it’s not anti-immigrant. It’s anti-illegal immigrant and there is a difference. And in case you didn’t notice, blacks in the US would have between 650,000 and 2,000,000 more jobs than they have now but for illegal immigration. So, your argument is ineffective as lacking in logic. Try again.

      3. Dean- if you think that video depicts a white American woman getting into the business of a Spaniard, there may be no common ground for us to stand upon. All three are European languages but West Africans speaking French and Indigenous Mexicans speaking Spanish are not treated the same as the Europeans who share their language. the difference is race. I know a lot of unemployed Black folk. Not one has recently applied to pick Garlic in California or Oranges in Florida. When the racists get their fill of Mexican blood, do you think they will be full? Will they say, the Negroes speak English at least so lets not come after them? History is not on your side. Ask the gay Germans who said similar things about the Jews before they joined them in the concentration camps. Ask the Catholic Southerners who found themselves being lynched alongside Black folk in the early part of the last century. We either fight racism everywhere and always or we suffer for it. Either white supremacy is wrong in all its manifestations or we accept our role as the permanent underclass.

    2. She doesn’t have to explicitly say something to imply it. Whether you want to classify it as racism, discrimination, ignorance or just plain disrespect, there’s no point in getting technical about what to call it. This shouldnt have occurred, racist or not. this is an unacceptable way to treat another human being so who cares? lol.

      Again, she doesn’t have to say anything explicitly racist to actually be a racist or imply subliminal racism. It’s there, don’t deny it.

      1. Dignified- you may be letting her off too easily. This is the same as racism not just a similar injustice. A woman who has the gall to put herself into some Mexican family’s conversation in a public place, is raising fucked up young men who will sit through a prayer meeting and then shoot 70 year old woman to “defend white women from rape”. These are the same people. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. A country that is seriously considering deporting 13 million Mexicans isn’t coincidentally executing Black folk for traffic violations.

      2. Dignified: Actually, we should base judgments on what is observed and can be detected by the senses–seen, heard, felt, etc. We should not base judgments as you appear to want to do–based on “hunches” and “feelings” and what is “subliminal”. As far as being “technical” goes, it was called “racist” and it’s not asking to much for that “racism” to be demonstrated. And its being called “racist” is what I addressed. What you are trying to do is “move the goal-posts”. That is not allowed. Your argument is not rational, reasonable or logical so it is ineffective. Try again.

      3. @ Jay: I was saying she was a racist, if not that, a hateful, not defending her in anyway. My comment was directed at Dean’s original comment.

        @ Dean: Okay, I will just say this. The subliminal messages that are being noticed are from sensory experience anyway (witnessing body language, the tone of her voice, etc) even some of what she was saying was a direct attack on the woman for being herself.
        It’s clear hate there.

        My point to you was that focusing on whether what was said was racist or not doesn’t make it any better or acceptable. Regardless of whether it was racist or not, that behaviour is unacceptable.
        What I witnessed in that video was no hunch, nor a feeling. It was clear as day hate. That was the point of my comment.

        1. Dignified: First, I see two angry women who were not respectful toward each other. Second, whether the white woman was racist appears the issue as put forth by Jamari in his comments–and if not so by other comments in this posting.

          I don’t automatically assume that the white person is in the wrong. Sometimes they are and sometimes they are not. I listened carefully to the entire video. And I don’t automatically assume that something is racist. Racist and racism are terms that are used too often by people who want to stretch their definitions to cover what ever they want and that’s just wrong. And to call something racist when it is not harms the efforts of those who oppose real racism–as I do.

          As far as an alliance with Hispanic/Latinos goes, what are the proposed terms of such an alliance? Would such an alliance mean that they will agree and arrange that black will have the 650,000 to 2,000,000 jobs that blacks would have but for illegal immigrants, the vast majority of which are Hispanic/Latino?

          I’m all for negotiating terms of such an alliance. Heck, put me on the negotiating team! But I’m not for giving something (for example 650,000 to 2,000,000 jobs) for nothing or little or lip-service.

  12. Now the issue of illegal immigration–most of which are Mexican/Hispanic/Latino: So what if illegal immigrants cost blacks between 650,000 and 2,000,000 jobs—and that’s a lot of jobs, I don’t care. What I care about is getting elected or re-elected with the perks, power and privileges of office and there are other groups that won’t like it if I stand up for the interests of blacks. I’ll take the path of least resistance. Hey, blacks don’t identify and stand up for their interests and so neither will I.” (And see Implementation and the role of OBAs under solutions for Organizations)

    (“lt was the black man’s vote that put the present administration in Washington, D.C. Your vote, your dumb vote, your ignorant vote, your wasted vote put in an administration in Washington, D.C., that has seen fit to pass every kind of legislation imaginable, saving you until last, then filibustering on top of that. And your and my leaders have the audacity to run around clapping their hands and talk about how much progress we’re making. And what a good president we have.” – Malcolm X. Any of this sound familiar?)
    And if you doubt that the job loss to blacks is 650,000 to 2,000,000 due to illegal immigrants, then our questions to you are these: What do you think that number is? 0? 50,000? 500,000? What? Considering that illegal immigrants don’t arrive here carrying jobs with them when they arrive by train, plane, automobile or foot, that they compete disproportionately and unfairly with blacks for jobs (Disproportionately for unskilled or low skilled jobs inasmuch as the black male high school graduation rate is 52% and unfairly because illegal immigrants are “illegal” and not legally allowed to work and because employers know that they are more likely to forgo wage, safety and even sexual harassment laws and rules because “$5 an hour in the US is better than $5 a day where they come from”. See for example, http://www.theroot.com/views/how-illegal-immigration-hurts-black-america?utm_medium=feed&obref=obinsite where many illegal immigrants had dirty, bloody, grimy, messy, dangerous slaughterhouse jobs that went to blacks after an immigration raid prompted the firm to rid itself of illegal immigrants. To be clear: blacks wanted these dirty, bloody, grimy, messy, dangerous slaughterhouse jobs. We know that because they took them when they were available.), what do you calculate that number is? 0? 50,000? 500,000? What? And why? And what is the acceptable job loss to blacks due to illegal immigrants? 0? 50,000? 500,000? What? The answer should be at or near 0 because illegal immigrants are illegal (meaning criminals) and immigrants (meaning not citizens). Blacks are citizens and not criminals. Why should criminal non-citizens (illegal immigrants) be given preference over non-criminal citizens (African Americans)? Why should we be so solicitous to the interests of others and opposed to our interests?

  13. Canards on Immigration include:

    A. “They say” that we cannot round up and deport all of the illegal immigrants—10 million or so. But there is no need for mass deportation. It is clear that the cost of deportation is unnecessary with mandatory E-Verify for current and future employees, coupled with a prompt appeals process, imposing large fines of at least $20,000 per unauthorized employee per day on employers that hire outside of E-verify and making employee expenses due to the hiring of illegal immigrants not allowed as a business deduction. And since illegal immigrants by and large come to the US for jobs, this will turn off the magnet of jobs and illegal immigrants will go home by train, plane, automobile or foot.

    B. “They say” that deportation rips apart families. Deportation and ripping up of roots and possible separation of families is the logical consequence of breaking laws. They knew when they became illegal immigrants that they were subject to deportation at any time! (And, of course, the illegal immigrants can take their American children with them if they want or they can leave them in the US.) And that this is also the logical consequence of breaking other laws—such as shoplifting, murder, burglary, etc. Yet, no one says that the government is ripping apart families when they send someone to jail or prison for such crimes.

    C. “They act” as if illegal immigration is a victimless crime. Illegal immigration is not a victimless crime. For example, it is estimated that African American employment alone would be 650,000 to 2,000,000 more but for illegal immigrants. There are victims of illegal immigration, including the American workers (disproportionately African American) who would be working but for the fact that illegal immigrants have their jobs, the American school children who go without the classes and books and other resources that they would have but for the English as a Second Language classes, Spanish books, Spanish DVDs and other resources used to educate the children of illegal immigrants. Illegal immigrants come to the US for jobs and don’t bring them with them. Jobs are limited. Americans first. Resources are limited. Americans first. This is America. Americans first.

    D. “They say” that illegal immigrants take jobs that Americans don’t want. See http://www.theroot.com/views/how-illegal-immigration-hurts-black-america?utm_medium=feed&obref=obinsite and imagine that job loss multiplied by thousands or hundreds of thousands of times nation wide. Well, the article cited shows that illegal immigrants had taken jobs in a slaughterhouse— dirty, bloody, grimy, messy, dangerous jobs of the type that supposedly Americans don’t want—but Americans did want those jobs and illegal immigrants “stole” those jobs from many African Americans until it was set right.

    E. “They say” that the rate of crime of illegal immigrants is no worse than that of Americans. But illegal immigrants commit a crime by coming to the US illegally or by staying past the expiration of their lawful stay. It’s a crime. And further, illegal immigrants routinely commit I-9 fraud/perjury. The I-9 form (http://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/files/form/i-9.pdf ) is required for employment in the US. Employees certify under penalty of perjury that the information given on the form, including Social Security Number and that they are eligible to work as a US citizen, a lawful permanent resident, etc. Illegal immigrants routinely so declare and so commit the crime of perjury.

    Further, even if the rate of crime by illegal immigrants is under the rate of Americans, what matters is whether illegal immigrants commit any crimes (I suppose other than illegally entering into the US—a crime– or illegally staying in the US—a crime—and other than committing I-9 perjury—a crime.). And they do. They kill, steal, rape, shoplift and commit a full range of crimes. They add to crime that would otherwise exist.

    F. “They say” that illegal immigrants are needed for agriculture because “do you want to pay $10 for a head of lettuce?” Well, the truth is that labor accounts on average for only 10% of the cost of food (the rest being such things as transportation, wrapping, fertilizer, etc). Therefore, if lettuce is $1 a head now and if the price of labor were doubled, then the price of a head of lettuce would go to $1.10 a head, not $10 a head. Politicians who talk so much about the “free market” somehow want agriculture to be subsidized by a labor marketplace that does not follow the dictates of “demand and supply”, which is a hallmark of the “free market”. If agriculture doesn’t get enough legal workers at say, $5 and hour, agriculture should raise its rate of pay to $10 or $15 or $20 and hour as needed. If agriculture pays say $100 per hour, I’m sure that agriculture will not lack for legal workers!

    G. “They say” that illegal immigration is not a crime but is a civil offense. This is not true. Not according to 8 U.S.C. § 1325, which provides for criminal penalties for illegal entry into the US as follows:

    (a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both. (b) Improper time or place; civil penalties Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of – (1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or (2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection. Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed. (c) Marriage fraud Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined not more than $250,000, or both. (d) Immigration-related entrepreneurship fraud Any individual who knowingly establishes a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, fined in accordance with title 18, or both. – See more at: http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/8/12/II/VIII/1325#sthash.q7f1QrrO.dpuf

    H. “They say” that illegal immigrants pay taxes and Social Security contributions. That may be the case but the fact is that because they take jobs from Americans, they deny Americans the jobs and those taxes would have been paid by Americans but for the illegal immigrants. So the result is illegal immigrants employed and paying taxes but Americans unemployed and not paying taxes. Similarly, they force Americans on the dole—welfare and other government benefits. So much for their paying taxes!

  14. Okay, it sounds like many people are influenced by what other people are doing or not doing for our community. At the end of the day, Jamari’s friend is right, but I’ll add a slight twist from “It ain’t our business” to: “Its not my business if I don’t WANT it to be”.

    Stop expecting others to come to our aid when we need it, and have that affect your decision about race, race is a lot bigger than the tit for tat childishness. We have to think more broadly than “well they weren’t there for us when we needed it” Okay that may be true, but if were going to preach about peace then we have to be the ones to pioneer it through and through. There are many non-blacks who support our movements which I’m sure includes many latino/as. Think about it, there would be just as much of “us” backing a latin centered social conflict to begin with so what came first? the Chicken or the egg? Seems more like a dog chasing its tail to me!

    This mentality in and of itself is what’s allowing racism to continue to happen to US! If we want it to end for US then we have to realize that it needs to end IN GENERAL! Or it will forever be “their issue” in someone else’s eyes!

    I say this all the time! The world can actually be SO SIMPLE but people continuously look at the tree in front of them instead of the whole forest. We all need to wake the fuck up!

    If you’re genuinely not interested in this whole thing, that’s fine, it doesnt have to be your business if you dont want it to be, but racism will now and forever be our problem regardless of who its directed at, why? Because in the same breath that someone is being racist to someone who is non-black that same person will say something about Black people next. We are never off the radar, so you might as well consider them being racist to you. Racism is racism. Its bad for everyone, lets be clear.

  15. I feel like black people should deal with their own issues within before trying to jump on the bandwagon for other causes.
    Sweep around our own front door and get our house in order first!

    You can’t save someone else if you can’t save your damn self. Prioritize!

    Like your friend said, they’ll be aight.

    1. It’s the same fight! The New World invented whiteness by contrasting it to Blackness. Before there were colonies in North America that had enslaved people, nobody ever suggested that Germans, Italians, Spaniards and Norwegians were the same race. Only here did they acquire a new identity, white. In fact, white Americans are the least materially well-off Europeans on earth. Only they, of all the European descendants on the planet, die of treatable diseases at 65 on their way to their jobs as Walmart greeters. Their whiteness is often all they have and they defend it violently. Nobody should be more wary of that violence than Black folk, no matter where it is focused. There is no world in which Mexicans are vulnerable and Black folk are safe. None. If the 20th Century didn’t teach us anything else, it should have taught us never to wait until they come for your people to start fighting against genocide! It’s always too late then and they NEVER stop with the most vulnerable. They are just first.

      1. I just hope you and others that share your sentiments take the same fervor you have for the causes of others and apply it to your own people as well, because we certainly need it.

        All of this isn’t some blaxploitation theme to take down the white man for me. I’m about strengthening and empowering my people as a whole. That means restoring the black family structure and educating our youth. Do I intentionally omit other oppressed parties? No, but I will not shift my attention to their causes while my own are in trouble and neither would they.

  16. Jay: You wrote: “Dignified- you may be letting her off too easily. This is the same as racism not just a similar injustice. A woman who has the gall to put herself into some Mexican family’s conversation in a public place, is raising fucked up young men who will sit through a prayer meeting and then shoot 70 year old woman to “defend white women from rape”. These are the same people. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. A country that is seriously considering deporting 13 million Mexicans isn’t coincidentally executing Black folk for traffic violations.” You packed a lot of lack of knowledge in a small space–too much for me to address. My quick review of what you wrote indicates erroneous in every sentence! I suggest that you study the issues and approach them based on facts and not supposition or wishfull thinking or propaganda.

    1. the great one has spoken. the rest should tremble in awe and meditate on his words! Fuck you and your condescension Dean.

      1. Jay: That’s the sign of a sore loser–to resort to invective. “Fuck you” you wrote. I merely challenged your weak arguments and pointed out their weakness. If you want to be able to make strong arguments, I suggest that you study the issues and also study logic, English, history, law, economics and argumentation–as I have. That will help in at least two ways: First, you will not likely make such weak arguments and second you will likely have the forthrightness to admit that your argument is weak and therefore change it–instead of insisting on going down on a sinking ship because you refuse to abandon it.

  17. AtlAnonymous: I’m happy that you agree (as you appear to do) that the white woman did not express racism (the “Merriam-Webster” definition as you indicated. Thank you for agreeing with me.

    As far as her behaviors go, there appears to be little to scant EVIDENCE of what you termed “micro-aggression” and etc. EVIDENCE IS IMPORTANT.

    1. Dean, I made it clear that I don’t agree with, or accept your definition of racism. Therefore, I can’t agree with your assertion that it can’t be found here.

      Now before your respond with a dissertation, I will pre emptively end our discussion here. I find your responses to others on this forum very condescending and not at all constructive.

      Thanks.

      1. I did again look up racism and per Google: rac·ism
        ˈrāˌsizəm/Submit
        noun
        the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
        prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior.
        “a program to combat racism”
        synonyms: racial discrimination, racialism, racial prejudice, xenophobia, chauvinism, bigotry, casteism
        “Aborigines are the main victims of racism in Australia”

        And per Wikopedia: Racism consists of ideologies and practices that seek to justify, or cause, the unequal distribution of privileges, rights or goods among different racial groups. Modern variants are often based in social perceptions of biological differences between peoples. These can take the form of social actions, practices or beliefs, or political systems that consider different races to be ranked as inherently superior or inferior to each other, based on presumed shared inheritable traits, abilities, or qualities. It may also hold that members of different races should be treated differently.[1][2][3]

        And Wikopedia goes on to state much more.

        A word that ends in “ism” denotes a belief such as “communism”. Therefore, for that reason, the belief definition of racism should be preferred and also for purposes of analysis the belief definition should be preferred. Other words should be used to describe other things –such as racial discrimination, racial prejudice, racial bigotry, etc. One size does not fit all and neither does one word and the word racist or racism is over used and so may come to mean little or nothing other than “I don’t like that person”.

        Now, for “condescending”, I like to know what I’m talking about and what others are talking about so I did look that word up too:

        con·de·scend·ing
        ˌkändəˈsendiNG/Submit
        adjective
        having or showing a feeling of patronizing superiority..

        I should have some superiority in discussing such subjects because I have studied and written on them for more than 20 years. In addition, I have formal education in logic, writing, analysis, law, economics and other relevant subjects so I am not shooting from the hip but speak as someone with particular and relevant knowledge, training and education.

        I will say this: “If you can’t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.”

        And when people have the opportunity to learn something, then that is constructive. Advancement is and must be based on facts and logic–not lack of facts, lack of knowledge and lack of logic. So I believe that my comments have been very constructive. Live and learn.

      2. Dean, again, we do not agree with your definition(s) of racism. I’ve already provided you with one, yet you continue to bombard me with your Wikipedia/random Google Definitions. You have abandoned any critical analysis of these and are now simply trying to prove you were right. You were/are wrong.

        As I have said. I will end the discussion here. But thank you for educating me almighty thoroughly Educated Dean. I don’t know what we all would do without your enlightenment. Surely we would be lost in this forum.

        I lay myself prostrate before you in hopes that you can forgive me for daring to disagree with your omnipotent wisdom.

        Peace.

  18. Jay: You wrote “Dean- if you think that video depicts a white American woman getting into the business of a Spaniard, there may be no common ground for us to stand upon. All three are European languages but West Africans speaking French and Indigenous Mexicans speaking Spanish are not treated the same as the Europeans who share their language. the difference is race. I know a lot of unemployed Black folk. Not one has recently applied to pick Garlic in California or Oranges in Florida. When the racists get their fill of Mexican blood, do you think they will be full? Will they say, the Negroes speak English at least so lets not come after them? History is not on your side. Ask the gay Germans who said similar things about the Jews before they joined them in the concentration camps. Ask the Catholic Southerners who found themselves being lynched alongside Black folk in the early part of the last century. We either fight racism everywhere and always or we suffer for it. Either white supremacy is wrong in all its manifestations or we accept our role as the permanent underclass.”

    Again, you packed much error in facts and logic in a small space. I suggest that you study the relevant facts before you write and I urge you to write more cogently and not skip from one subject/issue to another so readily. That makes for greater understanding by your reader.

    1. Im done with you. I have studied the relevant facts. Perhaps I’ll send you a book through Jamari. two or three of them written by me.

  19. I feel if you live in a part of the country with a large Mexican population, your take about Mexican is going to be different than those who live in regions with few Mexicans. I found out the hard way that many Mexicans dont give a shit about Blacks and will treat way worse than Whites will. I have seen first hand that they are not for us at all, you can fool yourself and think otherwise but when you see it firsthand, you have a different view. It is like when you first go out to white gay establishments and you think they are going to treat you good because they are gay, and you find out that they are white first and treat you just as bad even though they are gay. The majority of Mexicans I ever encountered have been about empowering their own first and that where we mess up by trying to include everyone and have this we are world mentality when other races treat us like dog shit, we are expected to be the good forgiving Christians who love and accept everyone, while everyone else continues to step on us and disrespect us. How many Black people have you ever seen at Mexican businesses like restaurants or constructions companies, as opposed to how many Blacks who hire Mexicans all the time to work in their businesses.

    If you have family/friends in Texas, Arizona or California ask them about how Mexicans treat Black people. Ask them about how they vote Republican and jump on the anti-Black bandwagon thinking these damn White politicians have their best interest at heart because they speak a few Spanish phrases. I am speaking for Mexicans from Mexico, I dont know how other Hispanic/Latino cultures are, it might be different but living in the Southwest, Mexicans dont have no love for us except stealing our culture and using the N-Word.

    I do feel all minorities need to come together to fight this oppressive racist society, but it takes two tango and Blacks should not always be expected to make the first move, it is time for Hispanics, Asians and others to reach out to us as well with good faith efforts.

    1. Can you stitch this on a pillow so a few souls can lay their head on it and maybe something will sink in?

      In Texas, a Mexican can rob you on one block, sell you weed on the next block, and arrest you on the block after that.

      Do they not realize they use epithets for us in their language just like whites do?

      Not all of them are bad, and I’m not racist towards them at all. You HAVE to coexist with them in Texas and the southwest region. I do peep how they treat us in general though.

      The story about the white gay establishment is the part of the sermon where I would’ve started running praise laps in the sanctuary!

    2. But for illegal immigrants–the vast majority of which are Mexican/Hispanic/Latino, blacks would have between 650,000 and 2,000,000 more jobs and that’s a lot of jobs. And that cost in jobs means much death, destruction and lack of opportunity to many blacks. And illegal immigrant children require English as a Second Language classes and Spanish and other language books, etc. And that takes resources from black children.

      How can you be a coalition with someone or some group when that someone or some group cost your group 650,000 to 2,000,000 jobs and when you are at the bottom of the barrel in socioeconomic terms. Blacks are at the bottom of the barrel in socioeconomic terms! In case you didn’t notice! (It’s like the poor giving charity. The poor cannot afford to give charity.) That doesn’t make sense. We must protect our interests!

  20. Jay, you wrote: “Im done with you. I have studied the relevant facts. Perhaps I’ll send you a book through Jamari. two or three of them written by me.” Thank you. Please provide then names and authors of the books that you have written and I will look them up and check them out.

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