so as you know,
i love watching “everyday struggles” on youtube.
joe budden,
dj akademiks,
and nadeska alexis discuss hip hop and topics within the culture.
i love the witty banter and joey turning into “super saiyan” especially.
well the discussion was about tyler the creator,
his alleged coming out,
and being gay in that hip hop forest.
well…
(starts @1:25 – 19:31)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyblK220gPA
that was a deep discussion.
i’m inclined to agree with joey’s sentiments,
but i also agree with dj akademiks as well.
hip hop is a very “alpha male/vixen” arena.
as the years develop,
hiphop is more accepting of “different” males as the culture develops.
drake legit raps about and pours his feelings on wax.
it’s a different climate…
But that doesn’t mean it isn’t still a homophobic realm
tyler the creator can come out because he is odd.
hence his squad name.
no one cares because it’s kinda like…
“oh ok.
what’s for lunch?”
now a “meek mill” type of “straight” coming out the hip hop closet…
Would they not be automatically banished?
the thing is…
no one cares of the softer/odd/different male is bisexual or gay.
his image,
style,
and flow is probably different.
drake,
as emotional as he is,
would be blacklisted since his whole image is whining over vixens.
it’s the ones who brag about money,
fuckin 20 vixens at one time,
and being the “alpha” is what won’t be accepted by public opinion.
even the gays won’t accept him so he’ll be done.
you were doing all of that and then decided to come out?
um…
that’s placed under the “dl/liar/fake” microscope and the career will end.
you can be as dl as you wannabe behind the scenes,
but the moment you start rapping about being gay,
is when you won’t sell another record again.
look,
society isn’t there yet.
someone like tyler the creator,
who is free to do what he wants with is music,
will still be accepted with open arms by his stans.
he will probably be shunned by everyone else tho.
that and he is weird.
frank ocean was lucky to have b and jay on his team.
Am I wrong?
low-key: it’s similar to what kiing law was talking about.
he is gay and looks like an alpha male.
vixens want to fuck and procreate.
gays either want to fuck or challenge his masculinity.
straight wolves will think he will trap them in an alley and rape them.
plus,
the other alpha “looking” straight males are now intimidated.
wow.
isn’t it good to know,
no matter how masculine or feminine someone is,
we all have issues fitting into society?
If any of these rappers came out of the closet, the first thing you would hear is I knew it! I think that in this age of rap/hip-hop (if you want to call it that cause I call it garbage) the artist may not get a lot of backlash. This generation is more accepting and more tolerant of homosexual/bisexual activity. The ones taking issue would be with their parents, who aren’t buying music anymore anyway; otherwise artists they support would be doing exceptionally well. The ones making the noise are the ones whose music is considered “classic” and are really no longer relevant.
As a side note, most of the ones protesting may be the undercover brothas anyway.
When people mention Meek Mill and Drake’s name then somehow try to espouse that either of them are symbolic of anything overtly and convincingly 99% hetero masculine I laugh uncontrollably
Does losing the label really change anything, you are still attracted
To the same gender. Whether it’s called queer, gay, undefined, whatever. I just think if you have such an issue with label than there are other issues at play.
I remember when I came out I had a hard time calling myself gay. That was because my religious upbringing was so ingrained that I felt uncomfortable with the word. I was out and proud but I didn’t like that word. I realized I had to come to terms with my own issues to get past that discomfort.
Ps:You don’t see straight people shying away from that label.
Of course they don’t shy away from the label because they fit into the label that is considered “the norm”. Why would they need to? It’s to their benefit to be labelled. It makes their lives easy. Those of us who don’t fit into the “norm” labels have to think outside the box to survive in this world, hence the first part of your comment. You had to LEARN that being gay isn’t a good or bad thing. It just is. Straight people don’t have to learn anything, they don’t have to think. That’s why they don’t like gay rights and and why white people don’t like social change. Because the former system worked in their favour and now they HAVE to LEARN to be better, and while we as a society have made some strides, we still clearly have a long ways to go. Gay isn’t a bad thing, but it isn’t an advantageous label like the straight label is. <<this should answer a lot of questions about DL culture and the many inner conflicts many of us face on daily basis just to fit into a world that isn't designed for us. Gay, black, a mix, whatever it is.
Is this a Deja Vu conversation (video)? I could swear this discussion was head before. However I agree with Joe; however there is no space for “Hip Hp” artists fully living the same gender loving life in full view.
I encourage all men of color to abandon the “gay” moniker. It is now a political term, and does not fully describe our experience. I will not fall into THAT shit hole.
No society is not there and I don’t know if it will happen in my lifetime. Like Mansur said one of the things that helped Frank is he never just stated ‘I’m gay” he has said he had a thing for a guy but that never discredited him to being bisexual ( even tho to most of the black community bi is gay so it doesn’t matter in this case). When he wrote that letter the white community embraced him completely and to be honest he’s a much bigger name in that community than the black one. another thing is he’s not really explicit with his attraction to men, which helps the straight community adjust to him.
^that last sentence is DEEP!
who is “kiing law” I would like to know?
Frank Ocean has definitely acknowledge his queerness openly. He just shys away from using terms like “gay” and “bisexual” he doesn’t want his sexuality defined at all. When someone “comes out”, people always expect them to burst out of the closet and to want to be define by their sexual preferences, when many of us don’t want that.
Anyway, it’s really not shocking that Tyler is gay if you’ve been following him and Odd Future for the last few years. Tyler was definitely “straight edge” during the OF days as he didn’t drink, smoke, and didn’t actually have a lot of casual sex per his interviews. His music definitely details his sexual awkwardness which is a clear sign he wasn’t exactly straight. It’s like that for a lot of people who are “figuring it out”.
Let’s not forget that frank oceans coming out was a mere suggestion. He never said, “I am gay” to my knowledge.
It’s scary to be the first group of people coming out, but in order for gay people in hip hop, or sports to seem normal to everyday people, there needs to out examples to look to reference. We can’t make progress if no one takes the first step.
Ps. I disagree with Joe because he says that hip hop is run by Atlanta, and Atlanta is mostly gay. If hip hop is so comfortable with homosexuality then why aren’t there more out rappers. Logic would tell you that there should be several if big gay Atlanta is so huge in hip hop right now.
^that is the part i disagreed with.
the “look like a homosexual” was another.
how do you look like a homosexual?